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Daniel Greco's avatar

I was about to write a comment until I saw footnote 1: yes, that is pretty much what I was going to say.

Lewis thoughts the properties fundamental physics was trying to discover were the maximally natural properties. He also thought properties constructed out of maximally natural properties via simpler chains of definition were *more* natural than properties constructed out of maximally natural properties via complex chains of definition. You reject that latter claim.

But it seems to me there's a big difference, and you'll want really different arguments, if you're accepting that there's some deep distinction between the fundamental properties (mass, charge, spin, maybe consciousness if you want to go that way) and everything else, versus a view on which there are no fundamental properties, and the various categories that can be used in modeling bits of the world, whether from particle physics or economics, are all metaphysically on a par (I think Nancy Cartwright has this view).

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Tower of Babble's avatar

Yet another great post I find myself disagreeing with! I'm scared for the day you post something I'm forced to praise uncritically.

I take it that the sort of ostensive definition that is supposed to get the idea of natural kinds in our heads, is pointing at the sorts of categories used in scientific practices, noting their projectability, and conferring a special status on those 'sorts' of categories called 'natural kind-hood'. Consequently, the most important feature of natural kinds is their projectability. Now, you ask us to imagine a scenario where "Sold and gilver" are natural kinds, but presumably the natural kind realist is going to reject that such a scenario is possible. Ex hypothesi, the sorts of projections we are able to make about gold and silver don't work on sold and gilver, because sold and gilver are gerrymandered around temperature. So the success of projections like "X is gilver, and so X is pale in coloration" will be far less successful than "X is silver, and so X is pale in coloration." As a consequence, it doesn't seem like sold and gilver will meet the projectability bar the realist wants for their kinds. I also think this reply helps answer your question of how natural kinds matter. It seems to me like the idea behind natural kinds is that they are the most projectable categorizations, that is the sense in which they 'matter', they are deeply intertwined with our best scientific practices.

Now, some of what you say probably counts against natural kind views that require some sort of metaphysical goop that is supposed to be what the natural kind is (aristotelian essences, platonic forms, whatever) but as far as I can tell, in the literature there are realist views about natural kinds which deny those sorts of things (namely promiscuous realism, but also various microstructural views). I agree with you that, getting rid of that goop or reassigning it to another category (par impossible) doesn't seem like it would matter, but that criticism doesn't seem like it would carry over to microstructuralists who are focused on particular sorts of underlying physical mechanisms.

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