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Ibrahim Dagher's avatar

I was antecedently already sympathetic to the view that soft self defeat doesn’t mean much — I mean, it’s literally unconnected to truth. But, saying there’s “nothing wrong” with a view that is soft self-defeating can’t be right: showing that a view soft self-defeats puts a constraint on the view. Namely, it can never be the *winner* of an argument. You can never be *convinced* of it. Sure, that doesn’t mean it’s false — but we aren’t directly acquainted with The Truth. Our relation to The Truth is mediated by epistemology: we believe something when we have some reason to. That’s why some very handsome fellows have argued that the truth, per se, doesn’t even matter (https://substack.com/home/post/p-162561243?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)

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Tower of Babble's avatar

You talk towards the end about “what if the arguments for skepticism are good” but it seems to this is exactly the problem with self defeat, they can’t be! Suppose arguments for Skepticism were strong, then you would have good reason to be a skeptic. But if the self defeat problem rears its ugly head, you can basically modus tollens your way backwards to the conclusion that all the arguments for skepticism are bunk. So, then, suppose you have any reason at all to think skepticism is false, even if it is incredibly weak. From the self defeat claim the skeptic is forced into, you can basically infer the falsity of skepticism because all of the arguments have implicit in their conclusion that they suck! Now, of course, skepticism still might be true. But this is definitely dialectical progress (at least it seems to me)

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