Carnist attempts at philosophical justification are just macho culture warring mixed with Christianism. Without myths handed down from random tribes in the desert 1-2k years ago, it's laughably self evident that eating animals in the modern world is immoral. As a forager sure, you're just part of the ecosystem and can't go to the store to get some tofu and your vegan omega 3s. In the modern world you're actively supporting vicious torture and early life murder of literally many billions of conscious beings a year for no reason but inertia and learned taste.
The harm principle subsumes both. There's no ethical problem with eating an animal (or person) that's had a decent life (humane, if you'll pardon the expression), and we use them ethically as toys and tools all the time, which is not ethically distinct from bestiality. If there's no suffering caused, anything goes.
I agree with this and also argued for this in my previous post "How To Be an Omnivore and Get Away With It".
The problem is that I don't think factory farmed animals have lives worth living. Certainly not chickens - they have a short life of constant stress and pain, and then die.
Carnist attempts at philosophical justification are just macho culture warring mixed with Christianism. Without myths handed down from random tribes in the desert 1-2k years ago, it's laughably self evident that eating animals in the modern world is immoral. As a forager sure, you're just part of the ecosystem and can't go to the store to get some tofu and your vegan omega 3s. In the modern world you're actively supporting vicious torture and early life murder of literally many billions of conscious beings a year for no reason but inertia and learned taste.
you're a twat
Good substantive response
His well-argued case really disintegrates before our very eyes
The harm principle subsumes both. There's no ethical problem with eating an animal (or person) that's had a decent life (humane, if you'll pardon the expression), and we use them ethically as toys and tools all the time, which is not ethically distinct from bestiality. If there's no suffering caused, anything goes.
I agree with this and also argued for this in my previous post "How To Be an Omnivore and Get Away With It".
The problem is that I don't think factory farmed animals have lives worth living. Certainly not chickens - they have a short life of constant stress and pain, and then die.
concur